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Today there was a protest in the middle of my suburb of 100k+ people, normal cars blocked the road off and set fire to the earth.

The police casually pulled up on either side of the protest allowing it to continue.

Not a single news article has been written.

Imagine I set fire to a road randomly , I would be in prison in 5min.

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Once you have built this new community it will spawn new tyrants in its womb. And you are back to square one. There are two archetypes of the human soul - one that wants to rule and destroy and one that wants to be free to create beauty. Such is the yin-yang of human nature.

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Afghanistan an interesting example in this regard. Peace and moderation under a king for decades, then chaos as progressivism and socialism gave way to religiously fanatic reaction. I think give me all the flaws of monarchy and tradition rather than the ugliness of liberalism.

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Liberalism has always thrived in the perception that there are too many people in the world. I always thought however that human fecundity was a very fragile thing. Now, as the little roller coaster train of humanity crests the top of the big dipper, and inches over the other side, we're going to find out exactly how fragile it is.

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You don’t recognize the horrors religion has perpetrated when it had power.

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Disagree. Christianity provided us with a distinction between church and state, protection for children, the best of our art, music, and architecture, agriculture, all our universities and school, western justice systems, and the scientific method. All belief systems can and are abused, but the experiments of the twentieth century in societies without God provided us with the bloodiest Era of all time. And we are just getting started...

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Not really. In my lifetime, Apartheid was biblically justified (the sons of Ham, hewers of wood and carriers of water) by the Nationalists. Art, music etc. will flourish in any civilised culture, and I'm not sure how you conflate agriculture, unless you mean being stoned for planting different crops in the same field (Leviticus 19.19). By schools and universities, do you mean indoctrination into faith? The Scientific Method was developed in the absence of the Catholic Church which stifled scientific and intellectual thought. I was hardly encouraged by the Protestants but it was a least free to flourish without its adherents being burnt at the stake. The very essence of faith is belief without evidence and religion has a horrific record of discrimination against science and intellectualism. As a guide to morality the Bible is appalling with its violence, incest, genocide, silly rules et al., and the requirement that you fear and love your god, and that your failure to acknowledge him will get you an eternity in hell (that, in my book, constitutes child abuse). The Holocaust (recent!) was justified and supported by the Catholic Church because the Jews were held collectively responsible of deicide, the murder of Christ, so there was ready reservoir of hate in Europe to carry it out. I know that was the old days, but some things don't change.

Last point ... if you mean gospel music, and I know you don't, spare us!!

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Shallow take. Which music, philosophy, science do you admire today which did not come to you via Christendom? Who founded the hospitals and the universities? Apartheid is a blip in history compared to the atrocities that have taken place without the mitigation of the Faith.

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Shallow take. Wow!

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I mean Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Handel, the blues.

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Which religion do you have in mind ?

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Your whole article assumes the ANC is an ideological coherent organisation with a plan. It's not. It's a neo-patrimonial network. I do agree with you that liberalism has many fualts. But mostly not for the reasons you mention.

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The ANC is empowered by a global liberal system which brooks no dissent from mass democracy. It does have a plan: the national democratic revolution. Cadre deployment, et al, is part of the plan. Which results in patrimony.

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I have seen heard evidence of this in the Media.

The most obvious of which is Cape Talk.

They grab their global talking points from these US and British Media outlets without any critical thought. They no longer describe themselves as journalists, but as presenters or reporters.

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The "global liberal system" today is largely indifferent to the ANC, but some in that system (investors looking for an easy return) can't believe its luck. SA is a great venue for hot money looking for a return on interest rates because of our lack of capital controls. Agree that liberalism has a schizophrenic approach to democracy. However, I disagree that the countries problems are mostly due to external forces. Most of South Africa's problems are domestic (an incompetent, corrupt ANC) and can only be solved domestically. (Although I am not hopeful).

The NDR is not a liberal document at all. Unless you are using the word liberal in the way Americans often use the term (because of their lack of knowledge of history of ideas). However, it does not matter much, because the ANC is not an organisation of ideas. It is often more useful to look at anthropology or sociology to understand how they behave. It's not as sexy as grand battles between opposing political ideologies, but that's our reality.

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I think we mean different things by the term liberal. Liberalism as instantiated in history has equalled the French Revolution, a tolerance of Bolshevism, support for Mugabe and the ANC's NDR and rise of Mao. Agreed that ideology secondary to reality. The reality of liberalism is sex changes and high crime.

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In other words, Bush equals Obama equals Blair equals Cameron equals Johnson.

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And, where did the idea to destroy the order of law, that had underpinned the Euro-Christian civilization, come from ?

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The ANC's ideological matrix is Jewish Marxism.

This fact is easily observable.

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